Comments on: Why giving is wrong http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/ Guru = Pahlawan Tanpa Tanda Jasa Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:43:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.2 by: Administrator http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-18070 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:06:06 +0000 http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-18070 Leon your original comment implied that capitalism=not having a planned economy. The idea that China does not have a planned economy is risible. However if you now want to change your definition to mean capitalism=not socialism then I concede that most nations including China now have capitalist economies. Not sure how it helps your case though, given that many of these capitalist countries remain stubbornly poor. Instead of trying to save face by changing the subject to definitional issues, how about addressing the obvious flaws in your argument? Explaining why capitalism hasn't brought economic development to countries like the Philippines and Indonesia would be a good start. Then perhaps you can provide an ethical case in support of your proposition that letting people starve to death is preferable to promoting 'welfare dependency'. Leon your original comment implied that capitalism=not having a planned economy. The idea that China does not have a planned economy is risible. However if you now want to change your definition to mean capitalism=not socialism then I concede that most nations including China now have capitalist economies. Not sure how it helps your case though, given that many of these capitalist countries remain stubbornly poor.

Instead of trying to save face by changing the subject to definitional issues, how about addressing the obvious flaws in your argument? Explaining why capitalism hasn’t brought economic development to countries like the Philippines and Indonesia would be a good start. Then perhaps you can provide an ethical case in support of your proposition that letting people starve to death is preferable to promoting ‘welfare dependency’.

]]> by: Leon Bertrand http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-18068 Fri, 14 Mar 2008 05:58:26 +0000 http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-18068 China's economy is primarily capitalist. Haven't you heard of all the reforms since the late 1970's? You seriously don't know about China being a market oriented society? China's economy is only socialist in name. Perhaps you should look in the mirror before making some remarks of others. China’s economy is primarily capitalist.

Haven’t you heard of all the reforms since the late 1970’s? You seriously don’t know about China being a market oriented society? China’s economy is only socialist in name.

Perhaps you should look in the mirror before making some remarks of others.

]]> by: Administrator http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-18046 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:32:55 +0000 http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-18046 The Philippines of course IS a capitalist economy, thanks to 80 years of American rule. I'm sure economic development will trigger mass prosperity any minute now ... The Philippines of course IS a capitalist economy, thanks to 80 years of American rule. I’m sure economic development will trigger mass prosperity any minute now …

]]> by: Damian http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-18023 Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:32:15 +0000 http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-18023 Just came back to this post for one reason or another and, Ken, have to say, that is a ripper of a response to Leon. I can hardly type I am laughing so hard, let alone find an emoticon. Just came back to this post for one reason or another and, Ken, have to say, that is a ripper of a response to Leon. I can hardly type I am laughing so hard, let alone find an emoticon.

]]> by: Administrator http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-17990 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 21:39:44 +0000 http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-17990 Leon, you're an ill-informed, pretentious fuckwit. China's economy is primarily capitalist? That's the funniest thing I've read for a long time. Leon, you’re an ill-informed, pretentious fuckwit.

China’s economy is primarily capitalist? That’s the funniest thing I’ve read for a long time.

]]> by: Leon Bertrand http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-17731 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:38:06 +0000 http://kenalovell.com/blog/2008/03/03/why-giving-is-wrong/#comment-17731 What you fail to consider is the fact that aid on its own does promote a welfare dependency, where poorer communities are less determined to solve their own problems, because they know that hand-outs are readily available. Just look at the culture of welfare dependency in some remote Indigenous communities, where many are unemployed and spend their dole money on alcohol. I'm not against aid per se, but I do believe taht every dollar should be accounted for and that it should be specifically directed at things that will assist with economic development eg infrastructure. The authors are right however about capitalism being the road out of poverty. Whenever a developping country has tried having a planned economy, they have failed miserably. Meanwhile, when you look at countries such as China and India, whose economies are primarily capitalist, they have succeeded in attaining very high rates of economic growth. It's not about enriching capitalists. Capitalism does however provide for win-win situations, because people become wealthier together through commerce. What you fail to consider is the fact that aid on its own does promote a welfare dependency, where poorer communities are less determined to solve their own problems, because they know that hand-outs are readily available. Just look at the culture of welfare dependency in some remote Indigenous communities, where many are unemployed and spend their dole money on alcohol.

I’m not against aid per se, but I do believe taht every dollar should be accounted for and that it should be specifically directed at things that will assist with economic development eg infrastructure.

The authors are right however about capitalism being the road out of poverty. Whenever a developping country has tried having a planned economy, they have failed miserably. Meanwhile, when you look at countries such as China and India, whose economies are primarily capitalist, they have succeeded in attaining very high rates of economic growth.

It’s not about enriching capitalists. Capitalism does however provide for win-win situations, because people become wealthier together through commerce.

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